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25 ianuarie 2015

There are problems inside Novorussia and in the relationship between Russia and Novorussia



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A most unpleasant thing to post

Dear friends,

While I often post stuff I don't agree with, this time around I am going to post something which I find most disturbing, but which I strongly believe has to be aired.

As you might have heard, the mayor of Pervomaisk, Evgeny Ischenko, has been shot. Some (many?) are accusing Plotnitsky, just as in the case of Batman. I am not taking sides here, but I find the following video very disturbing because it does show something weird: Plotnitsky seemingly praising Ischenko and the footage of the latter absolutely infuriated by Plotnitsky and Zakharchenko. Notice that Ischenko also speaks some nonsense, for example when he praises Cossack units and their commanders when, in reality, Cossack forces are, by and large, 2nd rate and are not trusted with any critical sectors. The folks who made the video, FallenUSSoliders, clearly have a fixation on Jews, they also buy into the "Russian oligarchs" betraying Novorussia narrative, but you don't have to agree with that to notice that two fierce opponents of Plotnitsky have been recently killed and that regardless of whether this is true of not there are plenty of folks in Novorussia who feel not only betrayed by Russia, but even attacked by the Kremlin or Russian oligarchs. Here is the video:


Atenţie la ce spune (mai ales de la 4:39) personajul care apare în partea stângă la începutul clipului (comandantul-primar din Pervomaisk, între timp asasinat de către persoane necunoscute). El critică "acordurile de la Minsk", niciodată respectate integral. A mai fost o tentativă de asasinat cu autori necunoscuţi contra altui comandant important (Pavel Gubarev, care a scăpat dar cu răni grave), iar un comandant "de front" (Batman) a fost asasinat de "ai lui" sub pretextul "că s-a opus arestării".
Okay, just to make things clear: I am not endorsing this version, nor am I blaming Plotnitsky, Zakharchenko or anybody else. I am just saying that this version is gradually acquiring more and more traction and that his is very bad for Novorussia. Personally, I think that Plotnitsky should resign until he can clear his name because regardless of whether is is to blame for what is going on, he is clearly not a consensus figure and many key figures do not trust him. As for Zakharchenko, who apparently is far more popular, he needs to sit down with the "opposition" and try to achieve a broad consensus in specific key issues. For example, Zakharchenko has now declared a) that the ceasefire is over and b) the the Minks agreements are de-facto dead. Okay - he said it. Nobody made him. Now stick to it even if the Kremlin is unhappy about it. One of Zakharchenko's key roles is to be an effective representative of the Novorussian interests before Putin (who has first and foremost Russian, not Novorussian, interest to defend, as it should be) but for that he also needs to convince his people, the Novorussians, that he is not Putin's puppet but their leader.

There is a prefect precedent for this: contrary to what the doubleplusgoodthinking AngloZionist propaganda says, Hezbollah is not Iran's puppet at all. The relationship between Iran and Hezbollah is one of partners and allies, even if clearly one partner is bigger and more powerful then the other. And, yes, Hassan Nasrallah and Hezbollah are followers of Ali Khamenei, but the Iranians are wise enough to always treat Hezbollah as a respected friend, not a puppet. Putin and Zakharchenko need to follow that mode as at the end of the day, it yields a far stronger alliance then the subservient "puppet - puppeteer" model (normally used by the USA and West Europeans).

One more thing: I don't know where the authors of this video got the idea that Plotnitskii is a Jew, but I found no evidence of that.

Anyway, I am posting all this just to make a simple point: there are problems inside Novorussia and in the relationship between Russia and Novorussia which greatly weaken the good side and which can be exposited by the Nazis. Perceptions matter and if these issues are not addressed, things will just get worse.

The Saker
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4 comentarii :

Riddick spunea...

I warned about Plotnitsky. Evgeny Ishchenko, mayor of Pervomaisk and Dremov's right hand, is killed.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688&v=w8BH8Jq4dgc&x-yt-cl=84503534

 https://www.youtube.com/user/FallenUSSoldiers/videos


Comentariul postat la clip de către user, FallenUSSoldiers:

Kremlin-backed LPR oligarch Igor Plotnistky continues eliminating pro-Russian militia. The next to go was a Pervomaisk-born militiaman Evgeny Ischenko - Pavel Dremov's closest friend and the mayor of Pervomaisk. It seems like Novorossiya militia will be taken out one by one since they don't take any actions. Who'll be the next target for Plotnitsky? Dremov, Mozgovoi?

Read the official version (Use Google translate):

http://riafan.ru/203658-ukrainskie-diversantyi-ubili-mera-pervomayska/


În afară de luptele dintre trupe în uniformă, pe linia "oficială" a frontului, mai există activităţi tip guerilla (asasinate, minări, aruncări în aer, sabotaje, ambuscade, culegere de informaţii...) ale fiecărei parţi pe teritoriul celeilalte. Pe hartă apar cu roz-deschis zonele în care separatiştii ruşi desfăşoară aceste operaţiuni :

http://voicesevas.ru/img/be20bbccfdeca8ee4682f3d3a3dba23b.png

(în zona gri-închis "izolată" este o mare concentrare de trupe ucrainene, şi se pare că s-a evacuat populaţia - de aici lipsa de activitate a guerillelor)

Riddick spunea...

Plotniţki (Plotnitsky) este preşedintele Republicii Populare Lugansk (cea din nordul Novorossiei; cea din sud este Republica Populară Doneţk).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Plotnitsky

Riddick spunea...

Fostul comandant din Pervomaisk îi cam supraestima pe cazaci, despre care Strelkov spunea: "bombăne când îi pun să sape tranşee, lor le place doar să umble de colo-colo în uniformele lor dichisite şi zic că sunt 'combatanţi', nu zilieri". Kojiţân (unul dintre comandanţii cazacilor) a cedat fără luptă unele poziţii, şi a dezinformat, afirmând (într-o convorbire telefonică "convenabil interceptată") că "separatiştii au doborât avionul (Malaysia Airlines MH17). Un blogger rus a afirmat despre Kojiţân că ar fi membru al FSB şi ar fi dirijat direct de Kremlin.

Riddick spunea...

Igor Plotnitsky talks about the murder of the mayor of Pervomaysk Evgeny Ishchenko

Igor Plotnitsky (I.P.): With sadness I would like to report that we became witness to another crime of Kiev authorities against peaceful residents and the government of Lugansk People's Republic. Evgeny Ishchenko, whom I have appointed as a mayor of the city of Pervomaysk, was killed yesterday, and discovered today. This person fulfilled his duties honorably, principally and firmly. Was fighting for the interests of his residents, and understood the goals and tasks of building the Republic as a whole.

I want to express my condolences to the families and loved ones of the killed.I gave strict orders to find the perpetrators, because we already know who are the masterminds. I am sure that the perpetrators will be found in the shortest time. He had three volunteers with him, who were distributing humanitarian aid.

Reporter: Were they from Russia?

I.P: As far as I know they were locals. They disappeared yesterday. Everyone was looking for them. Today they were discovered somewhere on the outskirts of the city. They came under fire of a Ukrainian recon-subversive group, which is seen from the manner of the attack. Those who were on the right ran to the right, and he ran to the left, he was discovered 70 meters from the car. It was an execution.

This is another crime against our peaceful residents, our residents and people's government. He used to be a military, but he has since became a civil servant, defending the interests of his own city, his own people. But unfortunately they do not stop at killing peaceful civilians.

R.: Why didn't he have security?

I.P: The question is not about security, even Kennedy had security. The issue is that he was doing his job faithfully. He was distributing humanitarian aid, we coordinated with them about deliveries.

Prosecutor, special services are investigating. They stumbled on a recon-subversive group, which destroyed regular people. They were in a civil vehicle. They didn't care that they were civilians. They all got executed.

http://fortruss.blogspot.ro/2015/01/igor-plotnitsky-talks-about-murder-of.html


Citate din gândirea profundă a europeiştilor RO:

Radu Carp, 2012: "Iar pentru a pune această întrebare în contextul României de azi, dincolo de problema naţională sau cea a păstrării Tradiţiei şi a religiei, nu cumva orice structură federală ar conveni unui stat care, oricum am lua-o, se află şi se va afla la periferia geografică a Europei ? O Românie parte a unui stat federal care să aibă aceeaşi pondere cu orice alt stat membru… ar fi sau nu în interesul naţional ? Ori este cumva în interesul naţional să menţinem aceeaşi elită birocratică necompetitivă care se auto-regenerează tocmai pentru că ne aflăm la periferie şi undele de şoc ale unui model mai eficient de organizare nu mai sunt aproape deloc resimţite ? Suveranitatea pe care unii dintre noi sunt gata să o apere cu preţul vieţii nu este nimic altceva decât un concept determinat istoric, născut pentru a legitima modelul statului centralizat împotriva unor ameninţări externe şi contestări interne".

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